11.14.2005

So...

There are a lot of pixels being killed over this whole issue of Reformed-Charismatic Christianity ("pneumatic Christianity") and cessationism. From what I have read (blog-wise) there is a lot (from the cessationist camp) about the abuses of the charismatic-pentecostal world. I'm a charismatic (think CJ Mahaney)... and I would like to say - of course there are abuses. There have been since Corinth. There will be until Jesus comes back.

However, there have always been abuses on the doctrinally-dry, hollow, religious formality of the reformed camp since its inception.

Charismatic and Pentecostal churches are shrinking, falling into doctrinal errors, dealing with false brothers and other issues. So are the cessationist, reformed churches.

Is one worse than the other? I think not.

Rather than starting with naming federal heads of each movement and then playing the ad Hominem game, let us go for this view:

"...this to me is the crux of the whole interpretation of the New Testament at this point, it is the key point. Do not start thinking about phenomena; I will come to that later. That is the fatal mistake that people make. They start with phenomena, they have their prejudices and they take up their lines and their points and the New Testament teaching is entirely forgotten. No, we must start with the teaching of the Scripture" (Lloyd-Jones, Martin. Joy Unspeakable. Wheaton: Harold Shaw, 1984. p. 21).

So how about, as the good Doctor has recommended, we square with the Bible on the issue. No more "Hey-I-just-wanted-to-point-out-....-that's-all" or, "Well-there-was-this-one-cessationist/charismatic-who-did/said-..." potshots.

I do want to say that there are blogs that will take Scripture to this issue with good form. I commend them for it and take their views seriously. That said, there still seems to be a weight towards pointing out abuses and uses of some unfair biases.

Skipping all the errors made in practice on each side, let’s be pursuing the biblical basis for each position with fair definitions and terms.

3 Comments:

At 11:10 PM, Blogger Rusty said...

I agree. Namecalling gets us nowhere.

Many of the "commenters" on Phil Johnson's blog, for example, have completely missed the point of Phil's recent entries. Rather than agreeing on some very basic truths, people chose to turn his entries into a battlefield. Gotta feel sorry for him ya know? If I were him, I'd turn off my comments =)

 
At 3:56 PM, Blogger ScottyB said...

I agree with Rusty's point namecalling get us nowhere. It has become an unnecessary battefield.

I think the point I’m making is that we(Reformed-Charismatics) have been confused by this series of posts on Phil’s site.

Additionally it is hard to have a dialog about modern prophecy and then midway clarify that your talking about modern false prophets. The two subjects(modern prophecy vs modern day false prophets) in the same series of posts brings all this debate.
The first subjects provokes us(Reformed-Charismatic) to ask: Are you saying that we in Sovereign Grace and New Frontiers are false prophets? or that we lack good judgement?This brings unnecessary division between all of us who are Together for the Gospel.
It causes confusion because Phil isn’t really talking about us(Reformed-Charismatic). In the second subject-Modern False Prophets there is no disagreement( between Reformed and Ref-Charis) and there is no confusion. Hence now we who are continuists are made to look like we like to argue which generally does not characterize us though I think some of us have lost our cool-including me) we just want to clarify the fact that what we do in our(Reformed-Charismatics) churches is no different than the preaching(the forth-telling) that you(Reformed-Cess) guys do.

Additionally I have been reading off-handed comments and hearing off-handed comments for years that are a tad condesecending and this hurts unity. We love you guys and you love us. We need each other in the Body of Christ and we need to unite around the Gospel. I think the irony is that dead orthodoxy is just as dangerous as mysticism– other than that -your the man.

 
At 8:54 AM, Blogger Ryan J said...

right on. Very balanced, to think that we can throw the baby out with the bath water and all problems are solved is absurd. Good point about dealing with abuses of the gifts since Corinth.

 

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